again, dividend growth stocks, we think, will be relatively more protected in that environment. >> along those lines, michael, what are you waiting for to get back into the stock market in a bigger way right now and get out of bonds? >> i think have you to have the cyclical trade outperform. emerging markets are pretty resilient here. i think that's bullish. you also need to have bond yields rise. we see the ten-year back at 161 despite every single effort by the federal reserve to force reflags back into the system. the bond market has to believe the fed is going to be effective. >> so, for the foreseeable future, you're waiting for some sort of sign the economy -- the growth in the economy and reflation effort is going to take hold, is that it? >> the market has to believe it's going to be enough, by way of context. the fall from apple from peak to where it is now is $100 billion of market cap. $40 billion a month. the numbers are so billing and yet the federal reserve talks in billions when we live in a world of trillions. >> so what's the -- what's the best plan here, then, toward ye